Iggy Posted February 12 25 minutes ago, Hatem said: I did mention needing props for docking, not sure if you missed that. Either way, I wouldn't just dismiss the sails for bigger engines just because you need a smaller one anyway with bow and stern thrusters. There's a huge and obvious benefit to having sails on such a large boat, especially if you do a lot of long voyages. I'm sure there's a lot of that, but there's also the humongous savings in fuel. Even filthy rich people try to save money whenever they can, and if you're not traveling transatlantic voyages and you're only cruising from say Florida to Maine or even further up into Canada, or the other way around and going south from the Canadian coast all the way down to the Caribbean, think of all the fuel savings you're chopping off in just one of those trips. I watched a video on a family that owned one of those spectacular Nordhavens and they were fueling up prior to their trip from Maine to Florida. I think their bill was something like $12K to $15K or something around that maybe even more loooool. One can only imagine what that Black Pearl would cost to fill up its tanks with diesel for a 3,700 mile transatlantic trip. $150K+? I'm guessing having sails cuts significantly into that. If you can afford the boat you can afford the fuel. The fuel is the lest of there problems. The 55ft Nordhaven that I brought up from Fl. to Boston did 8.5 knots at a rate of 6 G.P.H. Thats 1.4 gals per mile. Now I am talking about a 60 ton boat that got that kind of fuel rate. Taking on 500 to 2000 gallons, there is a discount that we small boaters will never see per gallon. Don't fool your self, there not worried about saving money. If anything, there trying to get the most out of a gallon to make it from port to port when doing a 1000 to 1500 mile trip. Now the upside to all this, we went the whole trip without refueling. So we did save time and money by not stopping and looking for fuel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hatem Posted February 13 22 hours ago, Iggy said: Don't fool your self, there not worried about saving money. LOL! Sorry, but that has to be one of the most ridiculous and condescending comments I've seen to date on this forum. Ever hear of the saying "penny wise, dollar foolish"? What did Bob Kraft do to get a rub & tug lmao? A billionaire spent a couple hundred bucks to get a happy ending from a rat hole by a not so attractive masseuse instead of paying a high end escort a couple of Gs and have it done in the privacy of his mansion in FLA. That's just one example as silly as it is cuz just because they can afford it, doesn't mean they pay it, whatsoever. But ok, man. You can believe that all you want if it makes you happy. I'm moving on. Was planning on going to the boat show today but had to work. So we're going on Saturday instead. Looking forward to seeing @B_Mutter who just left a post on the mods thread of the entire Chaparral lineup that they have on display and it sounds pretty good, especially the new 280 & 300 OSXs. It'll be nice to see what you get for $280K, I think it is. Plus I enjoy seeing the new Searays and Formulas and even center consoles. I'll be checking out a lot of the vendors, too. Some cool stuff you can find along the walls. Anyone else know if @cyclops2 is ok and just taking a break from this crazy place? He hasn't posted in a few weeks which is unusual for him. Hope he's ok. Clopadopadus, where you at, man? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iggy Posted February 13 5 hours ago, Hatem said: LOL! Sorry, but that has to be one of the most ridiculous and condescending comments I've seen to date on this forum. Ever hear of the saying "penny wise, dollar foolish"? What did Bob Kraft do to get a rub & tug lmao? A billionaire spent a couple hundred bucks to get a happy ending from a rat hole by a not so attractive masseuse instead of paying a high end escort a couple of Gs and have it done in the privacy of his mansion in FLA. That's just one example as silly as it is cuz just because they can afford it, doesn't mean they pay it, whatsoever. But ok, man. You can believe that all you want if it makes you happy. I'm moving on. Was planning on going to the boat show today but had to work. So we're going on Saturday instead. Looking forward to seeing @B_Mutter who just left a post on the mods thread of the entire Chaparral lineup that they have on display and it sounds pretty good, especially the new 280 & 300 OSXs. It'll be nice to see what you get for $280K, I think it is. Plus I enjoy seeing the new Searays and Formulas and even center consoles. I'll be checking out a lot of the vendors, too. Some cool stuff you can find along the walls. Anyone else know if @cyclops2 is ok and just taking a break from this crazy place? He hasn't posted in a few weeks which is unusual for him. Hope he's ok. Clopadopadus, where you at, man? Really, If you only knew what you were talking about. I guess you did not read the of my post too. Also, you are picking one millionaire out of thousands. Some of these people buy 2 to +50 million dollar boats and you think there worried about fuel!! Get real! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasPilot71 Posted February 14 22 hours ago, Iggy said: Some of these people buy 2 to +50 million dollar boats and you think there worried about fuel!! Get real! You are correct, Iggy. THIS IS WHAT I DO. I sell jet fuel to Multi-Millionaires and Billionaires. Trust me...they don't mind the fuel cost. It gets even better when they get to their yacht...the boat is all about status and leisure and they are even less concerned about that fuel than their jet fuel. I've had customers who have a Global Express that takes them to their helicopter which takes them to their yacht. No concern at all with the fuel costs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iggy Posted February 14 1 hour ago, TexasPilot71 said: You are correct, Iggy. THIS IS WHAT I DO. I sell jet fuel to Multi-Millionaires and Billionaires. Trust me...they don't mind the fuel cost. It gets even better when they get to their yacht...the boat is all about status and leisure and they are even less concerned about that fuel than their jet fuel. I've had customers who have a Global Express that takes them to their helicopter which takes them to their yacht. No concern at all with the fuel costs. Thats what I am driving at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillbo Posted February 14 If fuel cost is a concern you should not own a boat.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drewm3i Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Phillbo said: If fuel cost is a concern you should not own a boat.... I am sorry, but I just dont agree with this generalized statement at all...fuel cost is a concern for everyone, which is why most folks have small boats and not large ones. No boat is fuel efficient, but 3mpg is much more affordable than .5mpg...Since the purchase price is just an entry into the lifestyle, the operating and maintenance costs are what most rely on to budget. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillbo Posted February 15 I could not enjoy my cruiser if I was focused on saving money on gas. We typically travel 40-60 miles a day and fuel at the marina up lake is over $5.00 / gallon. The soft serve ice cream is cheap though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drewm3i Posted February 15 29 minutes ago, Phillbo said: I could not enjoy my cruiser if I was focused on saving money on gas. We typically travel 40-60 miles a day and fuel at the marina up lake is over $5.00 / gallon. The soft serve ice cream is cheap though Yet you chose your boat based on something that you could both enjoy and afford I imagine? I can afford to fuel a small boat (2.5-3.5 mpg) as well, but a 50' power yacht (>1 mpg) would be out of question. That is my point. Of course we should not own boats that we can't afford to run and I am sure, you, I, and Bill Gates have all made that calculation to some degree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Denny Posted February 15 44 minutes ago, drewm3i said: I am sorry, but I just dont agree with this generalized statement at all...fuel cost is a concern for everyone, which is why most folks have small boats and not large ones. No boat is fuel efficient, but 3mpg is much more affordable than .5mpg...Since the purchase price is just an entry into the lifestyle, the operating and maintenance costs are what most rely on to budget. When I got my girl in 92, my 87 octane at the pump on the street averaged out at the end of the year at $112 per gal. A number of years back I checked my log. I ran 1/3 rd less hrs then my first year and my cost was 4 times as much, it did not make me cut back on my boating , I just said, wow. Years ago Bayliner put a lot of poor people on the water, today poor people don't boat. Everything is relevant, if you have to count your pennys to do something, then you should not be doing it, because it is not as enjoyable. The old school of thought was, to live within your means, which for today's generation it is very hard to do. If I were of this generation and trying to raise a family on 1 income, (which in these times is almost not impossible) the last thing I would buy would be a new boat. I think everyone is aware of the cost of things no matter what level you are at, it is just that what you may be worried about, doesn't concern me, and what I am worried about may not concern someone else. Just my Denny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclops2 Posted February 15 Boats are like a great mistress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drewm3i Posted February 15 34 minutes ago, Denny said: When I got my girl in 92, my 87 octane at the pump on the street averaged out at the end of the year at $112 per gal. A number of years back I checked my log. I ran 1/3 rd less hrs then my first year and my cost was 4 times as much, it did not make me cut back on my boating , I just said, wow. Years ago Bayliner put a lot of poor people on the water, today poor people don't boat. Everything is relevant, if you have to count your pennys to do something, then you should not be doing it, because it is not as enjoyable. The old school of thought was, to live within your means, which for today's generation it is very hard to do. If I were of this generation and trying to raise a family on 1 income, (which in these times is almost not impossible) the last thing I would buy would be a new boat. I think everyone is aware of the cost of things no matter what level you are at, it is just that what you may be worried about, doesn't concern me, and what I am worried about may not concern someone else. Just my Denny. +1, Can't wait to get my new (old) boat! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Denny Posted February 15 7 minutes ago, drewm3i said: +1, Can't wait to get my new (old) boat! Ya, my girl had 9 yrs on her when I got her,. Counting everything I have spent including the purchase and running for 27 yrs, I have less than the cost of her replacement. Denny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Klub Marcus Posted March 1 On 2/14/2020 at 8:53 PM, Denny said: Ya, my girl had 9 yrs on her when I got her,. Counting everything I have spent including the purchase and running for 27 yrs, I have less than the cost of her replacement. Denny. If I had to upgrade today, then I'd go with Regal's outboard sport yacht since Chap doesn't have any offerings in that size range. https://www.regalboats.com/model/38-xo-outboard/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclops2 Posted March 1 Both of my 2002 186 SSI get oil, gas and air in the tires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iggy Posted March 1 Well I have upgraded. I put a deposit on a Cutwater 30 for next year. The wife is nervous over it, but I am taking on some extra hours this summer to help pay for it. Full inboard singel diesel engine 430hp with bow and stern thusters. Cruises at 16 knots and top speed is around 22 knots. A little slower than what were use to but more space, more water, bigger fridge and freezer. Great for when we go away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclops2 Posted March 1 You will LOVE docking with both thrusters. So will the wife. Enjoy cruising and docking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rip5 Posted March 5 Congrats Paul. Nice choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iggy Posted March 5 46 minutes ago, Rip5 said: Congrats Paul. Nice choice. Thanks! Right now I am asking Cutwater boaters for there input. What should I have factory installed or not? I have a whole list of things and going to drive the dealer a little crazy. But spending this kind of money, you want want what you want. Like I said to my wife! You go to the car dealer, find the model you like but not the color. Why settle! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hatem Posted May 31 On 2/14/2020 at 7:57 PM, drewm3i said: Yet you chose your boat based on something that you could both enjoy and afford I imagine? I can afford to fuel a small boat (2.5-3.5 mpg) as well, but a 50' power yacht (>1 mpg) would be out of question. That is my point. Of course we should not own boats that we can't afford to run and I am sure, you, I, and Bill Gates have all made that calculation to some degree. Come on, bro, lol! I love it when "some" people think they know everything about every human being in this world and especially about their behavioral patterns! On 2/14/2020 at 8:03 PM, Denny said: I think everyone is aware of the cost of things no matter what level you are at, it is just that what you may be worried about, doesn't concern me, and what I am worried about may not concern someone else. Just my Denny. Unfortunately you would think that would go without saying, but not around here! I was just watching "On the water" or something like that about a New England company that makes boats and they were out on their latest North Coast 255 and besides the pair of outboards, this was a pretty cool boat. Guy started working on boats in the 70's and then went on and started his own co. and now with his two, grown sons, they survived the last few recessions and just came out with this new 255. Pretty nice and perfect for NE weather. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
