powah Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I just purchased a 2007 310 Chaparral Signature a few weeks ago. When I took up the cushion from the starboard aft cabin it had a couple gallons of sea water. I emptied it and dried it up with a towel. Came back down this weekend (haven't run the boat or even started the engines) and it has the same amount in it again. This backs up to the bulkhead with a generator behind it. Has anyone ever had water in this area and found out the cause? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wolfgang Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I too bought a 2007 310 Chaparral Signature a few weeks ago, May 5 to be exact. I need to take a look that the area you mentioned. Did not know the cushions of the alf cabin could be removed. Are you referring to these cushions ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
powah Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 Yes both sides come up but not the middle. The port seems to have a bin in it so it's 100% dry. This is where the cushions were stored that allows this area to turn into a bed. I thought I could store other items that could get wet like things in plastic sealed containers but this is serious water. It appears that the depth is at sea level so if the boat sits lower there would be more water. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BC2 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 A couple of guys on here were getting water in their Sigs like that and it was rain water coming in at the rub rail where the upper and lower halves of the hull come together. It was cured by pulling the rub rail and re-sealing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
270owner Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I have a 2005 270 Sig, so different boat. I was getting water in aft cabin and it was coming from a blocked drain in the bow anchor locker -- and the water just flowed downhill and gathered in aft cabin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drewm3i Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Rub rail rain water is my guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hatem Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 14 hours ago, powah said: I just purchased a 2007 310 Chaparral Signature a few weeks ago. When I took up the cushion from the starboard aft cabin it had a couple gallons of sea water. I emptied it and dried it up with a towel. Came back down this weekend (haven't run the boat or even started the engines) and it has the same amount in it again. This backs up to the bulkhead with a generator behind it. Has anyone ever had water in this area and found out the cause? I'm just curious, but what is that hole at the end of that area to the right? I looks like someone took a hammer and pounded a hole through it. Sorry for the harsh description and don't mean to embarrass you or anything like that. It just looks like damage to me. Any idea? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phillbo Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Verify if it's salt water. He's saying it's sea water so that would not be caused by the rain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
powah Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 Yes it's sea water I tasted it before when it filled up and when it filled up again. No worries on being harsh it's pretty ugly in there. It isn't a hole though it looks like the hoses for the AC run back through there and it is covered in some sort of plastic. I'm wondering if one of the hoses is carrying raw water back to cool the system and it is leaking somehow. This would be odd, however, since the system was not running while I was gone this past week. I've emptied again - 5 day countdown begins - how does one work when this is waiting for your return. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hatem Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Oh ok, glad you weren't worried about it but really, that's not a hole? Wow, very deceiving to me at least. I was just curious about that not that you would get any leaking from there but I figured it served a purpose to run something through it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drewm3i Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Sea water? Yikes...any through hulls nearby? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wolfgang Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 This is what I see when I removed my starboard, alf cabin cushions. i won't have water in mine. Even though mine is also a 2007 310, this storage area seems to look different to yours.. This pic shows the complete storage area, there is no "covered" area like there seems to be in yours. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDiru Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Is your Mid Bilge filling up as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
powah Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 Interesting wolfgang it does look the same. That gray piece I had to take out it was waterlogged. When I look down that area to the back I see a mess of hoses buried in plastic. Here is a better pic had a hard time uploading. JDiru the mid bilge area does have water in it but I didn't think it was an unusual amount - would you expect pretty dry? Not sure the two are connected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Fun Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 That looks like a big bag of leaves. You need to get that mess out and find the leaks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wolfgang Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 11 hours ago, JDiru said: Is your Mid Bilge filling up as well? In the 310, the Mid Bilge is suppose to pump out water from the Head shower and condensation from the AC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chap243 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 That plastic needs to come out, no telling what it is covering up plus it is holding moisture. Something in there isn`t right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hatem Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 On 5/22/2016 at 6:11 PM, powah said: It isn't a hole though it looks like the hoses for the AC run back through there and it is covered in some sort of plastic. I'm wondering if one of the hoses is carrying raw water back to cool the system and it is leaking somehow. This would be odd, however, since the system was not running while I was gone this past week. I've emptied again - 5 day countdown begins - how does one work when this is waiting for your return. That's not a hole? Are you sure? It sure does seem like some kind of opening leading to the next bulkhead or whatever is after that which would explain why that plastic was put on there, possibly to cover it to a certain extent? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BC2 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Don't put any holes in that plastic until you are sure what it is. It may be encasing foam for flotation. If it is, with water already in there you want that plastic intact or else you'll end up with water-logged foam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drewm3i Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I think it's time to haul the boat and have an expert look at that compartment and the hull bottom closely... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
powah Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 Wolfgang i'm curious as to whether you have a mystery bag in the same area? I can feel behind this plastic there are hoses and yes hatem probably a hole on the other side where they go through bulkhead (thought you meant in the open). It does seem the plastic was adhered to the bottom and sides as if it was haphazardly painted into place so I don't want to touch it until i know its purpose. i may try and get a look from the other side but they don't make it easy to work down there. Haul and relaunch would be tough our season is short here in Mass. If i can pinpoint it to something like water in a cracked line from running the ac then at least i'll know it isn't life threatening and can fix when convenient. I don't see any diagrams for where all the lines run. There have to be 3 or 4 in there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wolfgang Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 What you see in the picture is the entire storage area under the starboard seats. There is no cavity in to the left, the entire "floor" is seen in the pic. The black on the right is a piece of felt, from what I remember. Both areas are bone dry, Where I am in the DC area, we have had historical rains, breaking all kinds of records; so I know I don't the any problem with rain getting in. Below is the Port side storage. Again you are looking at the entire area, with no cavity to the right. Also bone dry. When you purchased your boat, did you get a survey done ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
powah Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 Thanks wolfgang at least I know it is supposed to be dry. The area I'm seeing this in is behind that piece of felt in the corner compartment. I had to remove the carpet board because it was waterlogged.You probably have some sort of similar package back there because I think it has something to do with hoses running back to ac which I believe is standard on all of the 310s. I did get a survey and this was looked at and I looked into these areas myself during the sea trial. He also ran the ac and heat but I'm thinking that would have been for a very short time so if it is related it may not have shown up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Fun Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 The Sigs have many hard to get to or hidden voids manufactured into them. BUT there should be no water leaking into the boat from anywhere. There should be No water in the bilges, voids or compartments. If there is you have a leak and all hoses, thruhull parts, rub rails, windshield gaskets, pumps, etc. should be checked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drewm3i Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Alright I think you just solved your problem...you said the wood panel in front of hoses to the ac was waterlogged. I bet your ac cooling system is leaksing causing the water intrusion. That would explain your sea water leak! Clean it up and tighten the clamps on the ac peacock/water inlet and see what happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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