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We've towed across 3 states (California, AZ, Utah).  I know California and Arizona have the application / fee process online.  CA does 1 day, 7 day, and one year passes.  Easy to obtain...just paper work.  For AZ, it was easier for me to buy the year permit (less than 70 deer) since we tow a LOT back and forth to the ramp during the summer (we keep the boat stored in AZ for the summer).  For Utah, I didn't get a permit...the distance was only 4 miles.  

Overall tow for the trip was about 500 miles each way.  Everything did fine...you're not going to go fast and you need to pay attention the whole time, so I recommend taking breaks.  I prefer to tow at night because the roads are more empty and it's cooler (95% desert towing for me).  My tow back from Utah was during the day and still did fine.  

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We have an 03 280, which is the 290. Merc 4.3's with Bravos. I always have more than 4 aboard and have cruised with as many as 8.  Bring it up to 3k rpm and let her plane in her own time. Once she's up, I keep her around 3200 and we cruise at around 26 mph. Plenty fast for 2-3 foot chop.  Great boat, we'll built and plenty of room. I wouldn't sleep more than 4 tho. After that, people would be in the cockpit on the filler cushion.  As chappy said, makes sure you have duct for the rear ac. Makes a world of difference.

Good luck

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Since I am only doing the trip one time every year, I think taking the permit just for one time should be enough. Once all the states identified, you just have to go on their websites ?

@TLandry : I am just planning to have my 2 kids and my wife, eventually my parents time to time. Not a big deal for me if the boat take time to plane since I want to buy a seadoo for towing trip and wakeboard, boat will just be a place for relaxing and watching.

Haven't said it yet, but thanks guys for all the advices you are providing me, it helps me a lot

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On ‎7‎/‎22‎/‎2016 at 11:03 AM, Exoset said:

Adding the generator seems to be a pain in the $^&, I will keep looking for one that have it, thanks for the advice chappy.

46 MPH seems fairly honorable for a boat of this size, no need to say that 2 engine will change a lot when accosting at the marina :p. Scott have you towed you 280 over long distances ? I read that if I want to travel from Canada to Florida I will have to pay for every state I will cross since the boat is wider than 8.6, did you experienced it when towing ? Is it hard/long to get the wide load permits ?

 

Thx

I haven't towed it across state lines yet..  There are outfits that you can work with that will get all the permits for you. Otherwise you have to contact each state.. I haven't done it though.   I've only towed it within our state.  When I bought it I paid someone to tow it from MD to NJ partly because I didn't have a big enough truck at that time.

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I have a 2005 270, which looks a lot like the current 290, though in 2005 there was a 290 above our 270.  Defining characteristics to know if same as what you're looking at:  booth style dinette in cabin on port side, and all of the side windows are above the rubrail (so they're not great if it rains) except the aft cabin -- whereas, I think the next size up had side windows below rub rail.  We have AC but not a duct in aft cabin -- wish it did!  We use a fan to circulate the cold air better.  We don't have a generator -- I think it would be possible to install since controls are all there, but I think it would cost 8-10K. I'm considering a Champion portable on swim platform, but haven't done it yet since we just stay at docks when its unbearably hot.

I would be wary of putting 400 lbs on the swim platform.  We rest our inflatable floor 9' dinghy on it, lashed to the aft cleats which works great, but I'd be worried about moving fast with heavier weight resting on the swim platform.  there is no ski tow eye, so we use a harness between aft cleats.

I have dual 4.3 Volvo duo-props -- we ski and tube on the boat.  Great pickup, good fuel economy, and 2 engines is great for getting in/out of slips.  Top speed in high 40s, cruise around 30-35mph.

We have 3 little kids (and dog sometimes on boat), and there's decent space on the boat.  Before kids, we often slept in the forward berth -- nice and cool, and fine if you're not too tall. I'm planning to put a memory foam pad in the aft, since I find myself there more often with 1 or 2 kids.  Aft berth is 48"x78".  Forward is odd shape (like a cut-off triangle), but 48" at widest (about 3 feet of length is that wide) and about 78" long at longest (again only portion of the pad)

 I installed a large bin in engine room where genny would go (fiberglass bin that look like big rubbermaid), plus a milk crate -- allowed me to stow watersports gear.  I owned the boat for several years before realizing there is additional storage under the cabin floor -- accessible via a hatch under the carpet, under the dinette table.

Another idea:  a friend of mine is working on a new lightweight, modular jet ski coming out in a year or so:  www.bomboard.com.  I'm thinking it might be light enough, and I might be able to get the expense approved...  If so, I'm planning to put it on the swim platform...

 

 

 

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Hey guys,

 

perhaps found a good one, I have saw it today. 290 Sig 2004 two 5.0 Merc with only 250 hours, Gen Kohler with... 19 hours, everything is top shape condition, leather, canvas, etc...

Older than my 270 but I just have to add 20K (CAD) AND another trailer.

I saw here : http://www.theboatrack.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?veh=15865 that the weight is 8500 lbs dry, sounds pretty lightweight compared to my 270 (7500 lbs). I am planning to go with another Load Rite trailer since I am very pleased by the one I already have for the 270.

What do you think ? Should I go with a 15 K capacity or less ? If anyone know the real weight of a 290 2004 I am all ear because 8500 seems really to close of the 270, almost impossible since one have a single engine, the other have twin, 290 is also 1.4 ft wider than the 270 and 2 ft longer.

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My 2006 290 weighed 9800#.  It had gen, VP 4.3 and duo,props. Make sure the one you are looking at does not have XDP drives.

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Hey Big, no engines are twin merc 5.0 I think XDP are Volvo but I could be wrong :(.

Also have duo Prop, Gen and V8 over V6 so a little more heavy, do you think I am safe to say 10 K dry then another 2 K for gas/water/extra stuff (knowing that I will never tow with the boat loaded but let's say). I will be around 12 K.

RAM 2500 Cummins + Trailer 15 K capable should be enough ?

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Yes you are right the XDP was a Volvo product. Your Ram 250 will handle the load safely.  Make sure the trailer brakes and tires are in good shape.  No tires older than 5 years. 

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@Phillbo I am planning to go every years in Florida so 4000 Miles back and forth minimum + some others shorter trip so let's say 5 - 6 K Miles every Years. About the hours Engine/Gen, you are right, that's why I am considering buying it... older but bigger :)

@Big Fun Definitely :D, I have seen too much tire on the road side during the trip from Canada To Florida this year :p. I am thinking about Weight Distribution System but it seems complicated on a boat trailer with Electric Over Hydraulic... Had no problem towing the 270 without but it seems we have to put WD because it's the law :(. Also have to check special permit to go across some states.

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Weight distribution systems are not recommended for some trailer types, make sure you do some research before buying one.  They don't work with surge brakes either.

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That's what bothering, trailers manufacturers tell that it will cancel the warranty but if something happen without WD system like an accident, Insurances will ask to Chrysler (Or Ford, Or GM) and they will tell that over 5k you have to pout a WD, it is written on the manuel. We are taken between these 2, and in the end, don't know what to do :(.

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Skip the WD hitch and install airbags on the rear axle of the truck. Make sure the trailer is level when towing to distribute the weigh evenly on all axles.

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I have not heard that in a dodge warranty.  Only this: DaimlerChrysler Corporation requires that for warranty coverage, vehicles towing trailers with a weight rating of 12,000 pounds or more must be equipped with a fifth-wheel or gooseneck hitch.

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@Phillbo : Already have Air Lift system installed, I was aware of the weakness of my truck before I buy it :p. Wish I have waited for the one with auto leveling but I have the wireless remote control instead... I have to manually inflate and deflate.

@Big Fun : Just what my Dodge dealer said this week when I asked about towing capabilities of my truck. Guess what.. he didn't know. I finally found this if it can help : https://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/towing_guide/pdf/2015_ram_2500_towing_charts.pdf

10K boat + 1.5 K trailer + 8K truck = 19.5 K I am still under the 25 K GCWR. Still have 5-6 K left just in case. Last thing I have to worry before dealing is how complicated and expensive could be special permits on those states : New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Georgia, South and North Carolina and Florida. I have read that a lot of people don't bother since even with the permits we are not respecting some rules anyway, like driving on certain hours, have an escort etc... I am still wondering...

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Our 2003 280 Sig (same as the one you're looking at) is just under 10,000 when tanks are empty.  Mine also has the V6's, generator, air, etc.  Always plan on towing with tanks as empty as possible.  Not worth carrying around useless weight.  I fill up the boat as close to the ramp as possible, even if it costs me a little more.  Your 2500 will handle the boat fine.  I'd HIGHLY recommend a triple axle trailer.  With dual axle, if you have a blow out with a boat that size, you could get into some trouble.  For brakes, you should look into electric/hydrolic brakes.  I have surge brakes only because that's what the trailer came with, but if I were to redo it, I'd do the E/H system.  I still might change them out if we keep the boat for a few more years.  If you're having the trailer custom built (which I assume you are), I'd see if they can position the boat as low as possible on the trailer.  My trailer had the boat sitting real high - I redid the bunks this winter and was able to lower the boat by almost 4.5" overall.  It's MUCH more stable on the road and I don't have to stress so much going under bridges.  We're at 12'9" tall on the trailer with the antennas folded down.  

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Also, to chime in on the permits...the 280 is very hit or miss when on a trailer.  When you look at it from the side, it does look big, but doesn't look TOO big.  From the back, you can tell it's wide, but the bottom chime is actually even with the fenders (about 8'6"...which is legal to tow).  The real width is the flare up to the rub rail, right in the middle of the boat where it's the widest.  This is why I typically don't bother with permits...I know the states I tow in don't have hour restrictions on anything under 12' wide, and the boat doesn't cause TOO much of a red flag.  There are some go-fast cats that look a lot wider than my boat on a trailer, but in actuality, they are about the same.

On the other hand, coming back from Lake Powell when I was younger, my dad was towing our Sea Ray 330 Sundancer through Utah and we got stopped.  The boat was 11'6" wide and you can TELL because the trailer looked like a toy under a boat that size.  Apparently in Utah, you are not allowed to tow anything over 10' wide on weekends.  Low and behold, this was on a Saturday, so the boat was impounded until Monday.  So the laws do very greatly from state to state, and so does their enforcement.  The rest of the way home through Nevada and California was smooth sailing on Monday...even had Highway Patrol pass us and wave.  

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Wow Chappy so much priceless info, thanks !

I have calculated as follow : (info taken there : http://www.theboatrack.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?veh=15865 )

- Dry weight is 8500 lbs with standard twin 4.3 and alpha drive ( http://www.ebbtideboats.com/PDF/MERC_43L.pdf ) so let's say 850 lbs x2

- Adding 175x2 = 350 lbs lbs since mine will have 5.0 MPI with B3 ( http://www.ebbtideboats.com/pdf/merc_50lmpi.pdf ) so let's say 1020 lbs x2

- Kohler Gen weight is around 230 lbs ( http://www.kohlerpower.com/onlinecatalog/pdf/g2058.pdf )

- Fluid as follow : Fuel (115 Gal), Water ( 25 Gal), Waste (25 Gal) so (115x7) + (25x7) + (25x7) = 1155 lbs (But I am am not dumb enough to make some long trip with the tanks fully loaded)

- Extra stuff, let's say 500 lbs (Permateek, gps, defense, etc, etc)

TOTAL should be around : 8500+350+230+1155+500 = 10 735 lbs but since tanks will never be full let's say 10 735 - 1000 = 9735 lbs

For the trailer, 2 choices, 12 500 lbs or 15 000 lbs capable. Definitely tri axle with EOH, Torsion axles and aluminium.

Seen the height is about the same than my 270. (9.9 ft for the 270 and 10 ft for the 290), but you are right I will ask to drop it as much as possible.

About permits, I am staying on the Interstate all the time anyway, what bothering me is booth toll at the border and highways. Wondering if it will be wide enough :s. I think I will take my chance without permits, not because it is expensive but because I have tried and it is so much paperwork with each state, it driving me mad...

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Anything over 8' 6" wide is going to cause problems on the roads.  The police near the bridges will stop you.  Have you checked the permit companies? http://wideloadshipping.com/ 

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