86villainII

Villain 2 restoration

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I recently acquired my boat from a family friend that owned it from 89 the boat is a 86 it sat for 10 years with a blown 350 the interior is gone and it's oxidized really bad. My goal is to have it in the water next spring brought back to as close to original as possible but updated. I'm a mopar guy and couldn't help myself but put a big block it in after talking to a guy that does the conversions to mercruiser drives. Unfortunately the stringers are rotted and so it the floor and one of the motor mount towers just at the top so it's getting cut up and I'm separating the deck to do it properly. One question is how rare are these I'm from southern NJ and have never seen another one around here. I'll post pics later today 

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ive seen quite a few over the years,  probably getting more rare as the years go by.  Boats aren't like cars where they have a huge collectors value if that's what your looking at. 

 

Money may not matter to you, but that boat on a good day with trailer is probably a 5k boat if your lucky.  I would definitely add up the cost of everything before moving forward.  for 5-10k theres a lot of option still out there in that vintage for the performance type stuff.

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I have never seen a Mercruiser to Mopar conversion. That sounds interesting. Just remember and Alpha one is only good for about 300 hp. A Bravo one is good for about 400 hp. Me being a Chevy guy would go for a 383 stroker for the extra horse power all the measurements would be as original. I agree with soldier4402. Don't do this project to make money. Do this project because you enjoy the look of the boat and want to save it from the boat grave yard. I know this from a wooden boat project I have going. Best of luck with it and keep us informed of the progress.

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I prefer the older boats and I've always had my eye on it. I'm not so much worried about resale value as I don't plan or selling it just curious how many of them were still around. Now I have 3 boys of my own I'm a little more family oriented. I still want to go fast but the kids will keep me going slow for a little bit. I know the alpha won't hold up nailing it from a stop but I will be replacing it with a bravo or trs drive the following season. I was a machinist for 10 years so I made a jig and drawings and modified the bellhousing to bolt onto the mopar. I had the motor and the drive in the boat for final alignment and engine bracket design which is done. So now is the tear down I'm hoping to have the deck separated by next weekend. The motor is a 383 it made 543HP 525 ft lbs. It's very docile which is surprising but when the secondaries are open it gets pretty angry. I had a local machine shop build it for me that does mostly boat motor and drag cars. I have around 6k into it and after selling my race car I decided to just put it into the boat because it can. I know when I was 12 I was on it with my dad and his friends and it said we were doing 72. That's with the 383 Chevy it had in it. After that I was hooked and had been keeping tabs on it ever since. The day i got the phone call to come get it he said He was ready to scrap it.

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enjoy it, boats cost money anyways.  Just keep in mind your probably 10k into something that is worth half to a third of that.  sometimes the bottom line does matter to some. 

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3 minutes ago, brick said:

Sounds like a very optimistic speedo to me...

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was thinking the same.  Not sure id be willing to take a 19ft boat that fast, but then again its got a deep hull.  383 race engine I could see it getting around 60 if it had 400hp or so, but 72 I find doubtful.

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I'd just put a berk behind that 383. No more worrying about blowing a drive and 72 would happen easily. (Depending on ratio/ rpm's)Just say'n  

But more work than i know how to do

 

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I know the speedo was off or was the original water pickup. I'm thinking it will be a 70+ mph boat with the HP It makes. when it's done and a good out drive on it that can handle 7000 rpm that my motor turns when I'm into it. Ur will not go over 4500 with the alpha. 

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15 minutes ago, 86villainII said:

I know the speedo was off or was the original water pickup. I'm thinking it will be a 70+ mph boat with the HP It makes. when it's done and a good out drive on it that can handle 7000 rpm that my motor turns when I'm into it. Ur will not go over 4500 with the alpha. 

yeah that engine you got now and that boat id believe would be hitting 70 or more.  old one not so much. 

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After finally figuring out all I had to do was tap the Photobucket icon to see your photos 'duh' I was able to look at your boat and I like it personally I think it would be really cool with a jet you'd be able to hit some really good Rivers. With that motor I bet it would be a blast

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12 minutes ago, Auggie said:

After finally figuring out all I had to do was tap the Photobucket icon to see your photos 'duh' I was able to look at your boat and I like it personally I think it would be really cool with a jet you'd be able to hit some really good Rivers. With that motor I bet it would be a blast

I like the jet drives but I'm going to keep it the way it is with a out drive. My goal is to keep it "factory" with modern upgrades and wiring and the motor being unique. When I had the motor in my race truck it was pretty crazy it would pull the front wheels but my numbers I posted are from when i detuned it. I made just over 600 at the wheels through a automatic trans. I had the same machine shop turn it down for the boat. 

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What did you do to "turn it down" for the boat?  I am curious what the HP/Torq numbers look like up to 4800rpm.  This motor could be worse than the original in a boat connected to a sterndrive.

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1 hour ago, Dennis A said:

What did you do to "turn it down" for the boat?  I am curious what the HP/Torq numbers look like up to 4800rpm.  This motor could be worse than the original in a boat connected to a sterndrive.

We put a less aggressive cam in it and went to a dual plane intake instead of the the tall single plane. The torque curve is fairly flat starting at 2800 through to 5800. Aright around 4800-5000 it's around 500 ft lbs and 525HP. I'll have to dig out my dyno sheet

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15 hours ago, 86villainII said:

We put a less aggressive cam in it and went to a dual plane intake instead of the the tall single plane. The torque curve is fairly flat starting at 2800 through to 5800. Aright around 4800-5000 it's around 500 ft lbs and 525HP. I'll have to dig out my dyno sheet

Nice, you should be fine if you don't get too heavy handed on the holeshot and limit the wave jumping.

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I'm going to have my wife and 3 kids in it must of the time so I plan on taking it easy anyway. The times there not in it is when I'll push it a little more

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Wish I could see your picks, but photobucket is not being nice.  What is your drive ratio?  1.5?  

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