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2 hours ago, Hatem said:

That's great.  It seems like everyone who has them is really happy with them.  The headache of pulling and hanging fenders every time is really the ultimate reason for looking into these.  Making docking less stressful is a bonus.

I'm not sure if people are allowed to leave them all year in our marina like yours.  Where are you out of?  I only ask because we have brutal winters with noreasters galore and snow storms in feet and ice build-ups and all that fun stuff where those things would probably take a beating.  But we'll be heading out today so I'll definitely ask about that.  Thx! 

EDIT: Never mind, I just noticed your Great Lakes location.  So yeah, you get those brutal winters too.  That'll be interesting to see if our marina allows that. 

My marina allows as long as we remove them at the end of each season. No big deal - 7 or 8 stainless wood screws each side and it’s done. 

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When I made a slip change at the previous marina I was at, the previous boater left this type of bumper on vertical posts. 

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/taylor-made--premium-dock-post-bumpers--P005_157_006_004?recordNum=12

These worked great as it was a fixed dock and handled the boat well as the lake level changed.  

When I left the marina, I took them with me. The current slip I'm in[floating] has the crappy strip that Hatem has and has put some nasty smudge marks on the boat. Better than nothing. But I haven't figured out how to install these over the strip. The wood plank isn't big enough for both. 

What's also aggravating is the slip is really too small for my boat. I have to darn near clip my neighbor so that I can enter slowly and not crash into the dock. There is no room for error. 

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18 hours ago, SST said:

When I made a slip change at the previous marina I was at, the previous boater left this type of bumper on vertical posts. 

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/taylor-made--premium-dock-post-bumpers--P005_157_006_004?recordNum=12

These worked great as it was a fixed dock and handled the boat well as the lake level changed.  

When I left the marina, I took them with me.

Dang, lucky.  $500 worth of those dock cushions for free?  I looked closely yesterday at the brand of the ones in the opening post pics and they're Overtons. 

18 hours ago, SST said:

The current slip I'm in[floating] has the crappy strip that Hatem has and has put some nasty smudge marks on the boat. Better than nothing. But I haven't figured out how to install these over the strip. The wood plank isn't big enough for both. 

Definitely better than nothing since you're better off bumping into that strip than that pressure treated lumber with sharp, square edges.  I have some remnants of a 1" long dock splinter somewhere in the ball of my right foot that I haven't been able to get out yet until I break out the scalpel and do some surgery to find it! lol

18 hours ago, SST said:

What's also aggravating is the slip is really too small for my boat. I have to darn near clip my neighbor so that I can enter slowly and not crash into the dock. There is no room for error. 

Funny I have the opposite problem.  This slip is looooooooooooooooooooooong.  But I don't think that has any adverse affect on us TBH.

Interestingly enough, a few slips down the line from us are another couple who've had this 280 Sea Ray for many years and have had a for sale sign on it for just as long and every time the guy sees me he says "it's still for sale" and I've gotten so annoyed that he can't tell I'm not interested at all lol.  Very happy with the 276 ATM but it never fails.  Then yesterday he must've finally sold it because as we're sitting in the boat cillin' and swingin' and watching everyone else in the marina, this guy pulls up in a 2005-2008 35ft Cruisers!  I couldn't believe the size of this thing.  I asked his wife if they needed a hand with the lines and she said they were fine since someone else was waiting for them already.  But I watched this guy barely have enough room to turn, using both throttles and bow thrusters, then back into the PT piling, bumped it a little while she tried to push off it but nothing lmao!  I give her a ton of credit for braving that and trying but that is just too much boat and you're not going to push jack squat no matter how strong you are.  But once he was lined up, he went right in, taking full advantage of those dock cushions.  Rubbed up against the side ones and let the end ones stop his momentum backing up.  So I guess some people just use these things literally as stopping bumpers to bounce off of, especially when their boat's beam is barely less than the width of the slip!  

21 hours ago, Further said:

My marina allows as long as we remove them at the end of each season. No big deal - 7 or 8 stainless wood screws each side and it’s done. 

Awesome.  Don't forget you owe me a few pics.  :)

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My previous fixed slip was for a 30 footer. Lots of room for error but that caused its own problems too.  Tomorrow I'm going to stop in the office and see what the next size up is and if its available.

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5 hours ago, Hatem said:

Dang, lucky.  $500 worth of those dock cushions for free?  I looked closely yesterday at the brand of the ones in the opening post pics and they're Overtons. 

Definitely better than nothing since you're better off bumping into that strip than that pressure treated lumber with sharp, square edges.  I have some remnants of a 1" long dock splinter somewhere in the ball of my right foot that I haven't been able to get out yet until I break out the scalpel and do some surgery to find it! lol

Funny I have the opposite problem.  This slip is looooooooooooooooooooooong.  But I don't think that has any adverse affect on us TBH.

Interestingly enough, a few slips down the line from us are another couple who've had this 280 Sea Ray for many years and have had a for sale sign on it for just as long and every time the guy sees me he says "it's still for sale" and I've gotten so annoyed that he can't tell I'm not interested at all lol.  Very happy with the 276 ATM but it never fails.  Then yesterday he must've finally sold it because as we're sitting in the boat cillin' and swingin' and watching everyone else in the marina, this guy pulls up in a 2005-2008 35ft Cruisers!  I couldn't believe the size of this thing.  I asked his wife if they needed a hand with the lines and she said they were fine since someone else was waiting for them already.  But I watched this guy barely have enough room to turn, using both throttles and bow thrusters, then back into the PT piling, bumped it a little while she tried to push off it but nothing lmao!  I give her a ton of credit for braving that and trying but that is just too much boat and you're not going to push jack squat no matter how strong you are.  But once he was lined up, he went right in, taking full advantage of those dock cushions.  Rubbed up against the side ones and let the end ones stop his momentum backing up.  So I guess some people just use these things literally as stopping bumpers to bounce off of, especially when their boat's beam is barely less than the width of the slip!  

Awesome.  Don't forget you owe me a few pics.  :)

Sorry, havin a time getting photos to post on this forum.... Really could be upgraded considering the usability of other forums i'm on is sooooo much better.  Anyway, see the attached link for an idea of how I'm using the hull huggr's.  I got some stainless washers and wood screws and just screwed it into the finger dock and let it hang down.  I installed them towards the stern up to about midway so I only need one length on each side and the ropes keep the bow from hitting the docks.  Then I've got the thicker single 36" at the bow/head of my slip installed the same way....

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/David_Chesky/C224C554-B524-4F9A-9BC6-39206EE172FF.jpg

 

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18 hours ago, Further said:

Sorry, havin a time getting photos to post on this forum.... Really could be upgraded considering the usability of other forums i'm on is sooooo much better.  Anyway, see the attached link for an idea of how I'm using the hull huggr's.  I got some stainless washers and wood screws and just screwed it into the finger dock and let it hang down.  I installed them towards the stern up to about midway so I only need one length on each side and the ropes keep the bow from hitting the docks.  Then I've got the thicker single 36" at the bow/head of my slip installed the same way....

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/David_Chesky/C224C554-B524-4F9A-9BC6-39206EE172FF.jpg

Yeah, this forum has sucked on so many levels for a couple of years now.  Definitely needs an update in software because it really sucks compared to other ones out there like you said.  First thing they need to do is upgrade the picture sizing and then people wouldn't need any hosting sites and can just upload from their own pictures albums.  It's a boating forum for crying out loud and people are having a tough time posting pic of their boats? 

But thanks for the effort anyway.  I can see what you did on that link.  Wondering why PB isn't allowing direct linking of that pic?

 

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On 7/16/2018 at 7:29 AM, Hatem said:

Yeah, this forum has sucked on so many levels for a couple of years now.  Definitely needs an update in software because it really sucks compared to other ones out there like you said.  First thing they need to do is upgrade the picture sizing and then people wouldn't need any hosting sites and can just upload from their own pictures albums.  It's a boating forum for crying out loud and people are having a tough time posting pic of their boats? 

But thanks for the effort anyway.  I can see what you did on that link.  Wondering why PB isn't allowing direct linking of that pic?

 

I have posted a couple of times about the 2 sites that I use for pics and videos, with no issues. Denny.

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10 hours ago, Denny said:
On ‎7‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 7:29 AM, Hatem said:

 

I have posted a couple of times about the 2 sites that I use for pics and videos, with no issues. Denny.

I don't have a problem posting pics, I was just replying to @Further 's comment and how he was having difficulty posting that one pic because photobucket with their new policy is not allowing to use that direct link for his pic.  This forum is also severely out of date, Denny, compared to other forums out there.  You can't attach pictures straight from your personal photo album (which frankly would completely eliminate the need for using any image hosting site) and would be the best option.  And the reason is it can't resize them because it's old and crappy software.  So now we have to find a free image hosting site, upload all our images onto there then direct link them here which frankly, sucks $^&.  You also can't even just paste a GIF URL, that's how out of date this software is on this forum.  Hey, at least we can still post YouTube videos!

BTW, you should post the links to those posts you mentioned.  I use Imgur, works fine.

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12 hours ago, Hatem said:

I don't have a problem posting pics, I was just replying to @Further 's comment and how he was having difficulty posting that one pic because photobucket with their new policy is not allowing to use that direct link for his pic.  This forum is also severely out of date, Denny, compared to other forums out there.  You can't attach pictures straight from your personal photo album (which frankly would completely eliminate the need for using any image hosting site) and would be the best option.  And the reason is it can't resize them because it's old and crappy software.  So now we have to find a free image hosting site, upload all our images onto there then direct link them here which frankly, sucks $^&.  You also can't even just paste a GIF URL, that's how out of date this software is on this forum.  Hey, at least we can still post YouTube videos!

BTW, you should post the links to those posts you mentioned.  I use Imgur, works fine.

My bad, getting old, was not sure who sent it. Anyways I have posted the sites a couple of times. 

post image, for photos

vimeo, for videos

This was taken with my cell phone, put it in my computer pictures, up loaded it to vimeo, all free.

By the way, how is your anchor project doing?

 

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11 hours ago, Denny said:

My bad, getting old, was not sure who sent it. Anyways I have posted the sites a couple of times. 

No big deal.  Can you link the threads you posted the info so others can see it?  That would actually be good.

BTW, that clip is pretty cool.  That's a little bit of chop you're dealing with there.  Some nice planing but I'm curious; how fast have you taken that thing up to?

11 hours ago, Denny said:

By the way, how is your anchor project doing?

Finally going in this fall.  Took a while because the anchor roller plate wasn't the same radii as the 276 bow.  It's the one for the 277ssx so that took some time to find a way to bend out those 3/16" flanges to accommodate the bow profile on the boat.  Plus I was ill for most of 2016 and half of 17 then had surgery so everything was put on hold.  Didn't have time to do it before this season but I'm all set once we pull her out at the end of this season.  Gonna be fun cutting into that bow lol.  The only thing I haven't accounted for is the winch on the trailer and how to deal with it being in the way when pulling the boat out.  That's going to be a problem for sure, but we'll deal with it when the time comes.  One thing at a time.  I'm also seriously considering a bow thruster. 

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13 hours ago, Hatem said:

No big deal.  Can you link the threads you posted the info so others can see it?  That would actually be good.

BTW, that clip is pretty cool.  That's a little bit of chop you're dealing with there.  Some nice planing but I'm curious; how fast have you taken that thing up to?

Finally going in this fall.  Took a while because the anchor roller plate wasn't the same radii as the 276 bow.  It's the one for the 277ssx so that took some time to find a way to bend out those 3/16" flanges to accommodate the bow profile on the boat.  Plus I was ill for most of 2016 and half of 17 then had surgery so everything was put on hold.  Didn't have time to do it before this season but I'm all set once we pull her out at the end of this season.  Gonna be fun cutting into that bow lol.  The only thing I haven't accounted for is the winch on the trailer and how to deal with it being in the way when pulling the boat out.  That's going to be a problem for sure, but we'll deal with it when the time comes.  One thing at a time.  I'm also seriously considering a bow thruster. 

Glad you are healthy again. Still would like to show you some of my Great Lakes.

Maybe you could drop the winch low on the trailer and have a roller in place of where the winch went, send pics.

In 92 when she was younger with 189 hrs. on her she would do 49, now with 1700+ hrs. and all of my many additions, on a good day, maybe 44-45. I was doing about 18 in the video.

Here are the links to my video and picture hosts.

https://vimeo.com/

https://postimages.org/

Denny

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11 hours ago, Denny said:

Glad you are healthy again. Still would like to show you some of my Great Lakes.

Maybe you could drop the winch low on the trailer and have a roller in place of where the winch went, send pics.

In 92 when she was younger with 189 hrs. on her she would do 49, now with 1700+ hrs. and all of my many additions, on a good day, maybe 44-45. I was doing about 18 in the video.

Here are the links to my video and picture hosts.

https://vimeo.com/

https://postimages.org/

Denny

Excellent, Denny.  Thank you.  I will take pics and post the process when I get to it. 

So she only dropped 4-5 miles per hour since 1992?  I'd say that's pretty dam good.

1,700 hours wow.  I can't believe in 4 years I've put 300+ hours. 

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6 hours ago, Hatem said:

Excellent, Denny.  Thank you.  I will take pics and post the process when I get to it. 

So she only dropped 4-5 miles per hour since 1992?  I'd say that's pretty dam good.

1,700 hours wow.  I can't believe in 4 years I've put 300+ hours. 

that 4-5 mph reduction has more to do with added weight than engine wear.  

Denny:  Do you know how much weight she has gained over the years?

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9 hours ago, Dennis A said:

that 4-5 mph reduction has more to do with added weight than engine wear.  

Denny:  Do you know how much weight she has gained over the years?

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9 hours ago, Dennis A said:

that 4-5 mph reduction has more to do with added weight than engine wear.  

Denny:  Do you know how much weight she has gained over the years?

Not sure of the exact weight, but it has to be 300-400 lbs. over the years, maybe more.

And it is also how some of it was added.

One factor is the addition and weight of the radar arch.

Then the canvas adding wind drag.

Along with the A/C, heater, small fridge, microwave, windlass, and portable Honda 2000 generator. Just to mention a few.

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14 hours ago, Dennis A said:

that 4-5 mph reduction has more to do with added weight than engine wear.  

Denny:  Do you know how much weight she has gained over the years?

There's gotta be a little engine wear, though, no?  1,700 hours of abrasion, corrosion (especially with boat engines that are used seasonally so have to sit for 1/2 a year every year tend to face corrosion more so than car engines operating year-round), friction (especially friction with oil contaminants wearing out cylinders) and so much combustion through the years has to have some impact.  Even just contaminants coming in through the air intakes and grinding away at the inside metals not to mention what is in the water that circulates the cooling areas etc.  That's why I'm surprised that was the only decrease in speed, considering now we know all that weight to the boat that Denny added (as you astutely pointed out) through the years and I would think it should be even more than 4 or 5 miles per hour.

5 hours ago, Denny said:

Not sure of the exact weight, but it has to be 300-400 lbs. over the years, maybe more.

And it is also how some of it was added.

One factor is the addition and weight of the radar arch.

Then the canvas adding wind drag.

Along with the A/C, heater, small fridge, microwave, windlass, and portable Honda 2000 generator. Just to mention a few.

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Did you catch this pic I had posted on that other thread about "Chaparral" quality?  I was headed home on I-95 a few weeks ago and saw this.  Had to take a pic even though it wasn't easy keeping an eye on the highway traffic and getting it lined up in the screen.  But it's right around your year I would think, just a 200XLC instead of a 235XLC like yours.  Thought that was pretty cool. 

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1 hour ago, Hatem said:

There's gotta be a little engine wear, though, no?  1,700 hours of abrasion, corrosion (especially with boat engines that are used seasonally so have to sit for 1/2 a year every year tend to face corrosion more so than car engines operating year-round), friction (especially friction with oil contaminants wearing out cylinders) and so much combustion through the years has to have some impact.  Even just contaminants coming in through the air intakes and grinding away at the inside metals not to mention what is in the water that circulates the cooling areas etc.  That's why I'm surprised that was the only decrease in speed, considering now we know all that weight to the boat that Denny added (as you astutely pointed out) through the years and I would think it should be even more than 4 or 5 miles per hour.

Did you catch this pic I had posted on that other thread about "Chaparral" quality?  I was headed home on I-95 a few weeks ago and saw this.  Had to take a pic even though it wasn't easy keeping an eye on the highway traffic and getting it lined up in the screen.  But it's right around your year I would think, just a 200XLC instead of a 235XLC like yours.  Thought that was pretty cool. 

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Good shot, yeah she is mid 80's. Even though she is weathered, she still has character.

I love that era of boats, they where like the mussel cars of the early 70's.

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I found that using my wife as a fender works great too...lol.  Last week when backing the boat into the slip, the wife was on the swim platform pushing one of our extension poles against the piling so I would hit it.  Well the bow of the boat started going starboard so I had to add forward throttle to startboard engine to kick the bow to port so the bow wouldn't hit the boat next to mine.  Well this threw my wife off  the boat and between the boat and the dock.  Let's just say she wasn't very happy with me...

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25 minutes ago, Water Dawg 6 said:

I found that using my wife as a fender works great too...lol.  Last week when backing the boat into the slip, the wife was on the swim platform pushing one of our extension poles against the piling so I would hit it.  Well the bow of the boat started going starboard so I had to add forward throttle to startboard engine to kick the bow to port so the bow wouldn't hit the boat next to mine.  Well this threw my wife off  the boat and between the boat and the dock.  Let's just say she wasn't very happy with me...

You and your wife can thank your lucky stars, that could have gotten real ugly,

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3 hours ago, Hatem said:

There's gotta be a little engine wear, though, no?  1,700 hours of abrasion, corrosion (especially with boat engines that are used seasonally so have to sit for 1/2 a year every year tend to face corrosion more so than car engines operating year-round), friction (especially friction with oil contaminants wearing out cylinders) and so much combustion through the years has to have some impact.  Even just contaminants coming in through the air intakes and grinding away at the inside metals not to mention what is in the water that circulates the cooling areas etc.  That's why I'm surprised that was the only decrease in speed, considering now we know all that weight to the boat that Denny added (as you astutely pointed out) through the years and I would think it should be even more than 4 or 5 miles per hour.

 

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Oh, no doubt there is some engine wear and loss of compression, but the way Denny loves on that boat I bet the majority of the speed reduction has come as a result of a heavier load and less from engine performance loss.  

Denny:  What about your dinghy platform?  How much does that weigh?  Plus the dinghy?  I am doubting you attempted a full speed run with all that.

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2 hours ago, Dennis A said:

Oh, no doubt there is some engine wear and loss of compression, but the way Denny loves on that boat I bet the majority of the speed reduction has come as a result of a heavier load and less from engine performance loss.  

Denny:  What about your dinghy platform?  How much does that weigh?  Plus the dinghy?  I am doubting you attempted a full speed run with all that.

The dinghy was not added in the original 3-400. It+the platform are about 225 lbs, and that is hanging off the back end.

Without the dinghy I can run on plane about 18 mph at 2500 rpms.

With it to stay on plane at 18 mph, I'm at 28-2900 rpms.

In the beginning before all the add-ons I could hold a plane at 2300 rpms. and at 3000 rpms she would run 30 mph.

Without my 12"-18" over sized Bennett tabs, I don't know how fast I would have to go to hold a plane, or even get her up, with or without the dinghy, looks like it is time for a sea trial test.

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22 hours ago, Water Dawg 6 said:

I found that using my wife as a fender works great too...lol.  Last week when backing the boat into the slip, the wife was on the swim platform pushing one of our extension poles against the piling so I would hit it.  Well the bow of the boat started going starboard so I had to add forward throttle to startboard engine to kick the bow to port so the bow wouldn't hit the boat next to mine.  Well this threw my wife off  the boat and between the boat and the dock.  Let's just say she wasn't very happy with me...

Haha, it happens.  As long as she didn't get hurt.  Happened to me once a couple years ago.  IIRC, I was alone trying to pull the boat closer to the dock by hand at the arch and when that wasn't working, tried pulling in the area at the stern and the boat just took off on me, tried holding on to it with all my strength in the end took a header right into the water, clothes and all.  Luckily the phone was in the boat already but I had to take out all the papers in my wallet and dry them out and all that fun stuff.

Took a close-up of neighbor's dock cushions.

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Saw a huge seal surface a couple of times in front of us in Gloucester harbor.  I don't think you get these on lakes.

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Felt bad for this guy at the marina.  Him and his girlfriend couldn't start the boat so I went over to see if I could help.  Ended up tapping the solenoid and it fired up.  But then I noticed this. 

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On 7/13/2018 at 9:30 AM, WaterDR said:

Why the heck would they line the entire dock with those?  Space those puppies out and they would be great.

When my wife and son were learning to dock, they could easily find a spot where there was no dock bumper and point the bow right at it.  Therefore, I would want the entire dock lined with them. :D  It's not much different than having several fenders up and down the side of the boat.

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