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If you want a boat, buy one. Jets are calm water toys that still don't handle. At the very least TEST DRIVE on a less than perfect day.Plenty of good fresh water used real boats out there. W

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7 minutes ago, Wingnut said:

If you want a boat, buy one. Jets are calm water toys that still don't handle. At the very least TEST DRIVE on a less than perfect day.Plenty of good fresh water used real boats out there. W

What W said.  I have also heard people complain about the buzzing from the engines at cruise since they are spinning 5k rpm just on plane and higher.  

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18 minutes ago, Dennis A said:

What W said.  I have also heard people complain about the buzzing from the engines at cruise since they are spinning 5k rpm just on plane and higher.  

So many here buy the jets for shallow water access. They don't realize that if they do suck up sand in skinny water, it tears the crap out of the jet pump and those repairs are ridiculously expensive, and that's if you can find a shop that knows how to work on them. Tight impeller tolerances in those buggers and they are horribly inefficient even when they are perfect. Ask an owner how much fuel he burns and take a look at how many are for sale after the first year. W

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3 minutes ago, Wingnut said:

So many here buy the jets for shallow water access. They don't realize that if they do suck up sand in skinny water, it tears the crap out of the jet pump and those repairs are ridiculously expensive, and that's if you can find a shop that knows how to work on them. Tight impeller tolerances in those buggers and they are horribly inefficient even when they are perfect. Ask an owner how much fuel he burns and take a look at how many are for sale after the first year. W

Better hope those vortex dont have as many problems as the current ones.  I follow the vortex facebook page because I was interested in one as my next boat but after seeing the amount of complaints with the medallion locking up, error codes, people sucking stuff into the pumps and having to limp back to the ramp as well as dealers not servicing them after they sold somebody a $80k boat leaves me thinking I'll stick to a boat with a prop and simple mechanical guages.

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On 7/23/2018 at 1:16 AM, lamxuyen said:

I already know I love boating. Grew up with one. I know about maintenance costs, and all the surprises that can come up. I'm very much informed on "boating" in general. But I've never been on or driven a jet.

I now have a 2015 Chaparral 243 Vortex with twin 200'"s.  we came from a 2001 235 SSI with a 7.4l, bravo 3.  I chose the jet drive because of the ability to do everything.  wakeboard, tube, surf, crabbing in the sound, carefully run up the river.  So far, I am very happy with my purchase.

On 7/23/2018 at 1:16 AM, lamxuyen said:

It seems like they originally were giant jet skis (thinking bowriders here). They were fun at speed, bad at no-wake, and hard to dock and pilot at idle. I feel like newer offerings from Yamaha / Scarab / Chapparel (sp?) have done things to mitigate that. Yamaha has a rudder. The others do some funky stuff with the "gate" (bucket?) at the back for slow speed maneuverability.

I put on thrust vectors from JBP and my idle control is amazing.  You will slide a bit more with no outdrive acting as a rudder, but you get used to it.  Reverse is opposite to a Yamaha jet or outdrive, but you get used to that as well.  With the jet and buckets, I can spin mine in circles at the dock which is very nice.

On 7/23/2018 at 1:16 AM, lamxuyen said:

Are they still really annoying at slow speed? Slightly annoying I can live with, really annoying could be a deal breaker. Are they "jerky" at takeoff for a skier? Do they still wander sideways from a tube or wakeboarder pulling the boat?

Mine pulls a slight amount when pulling someone, but nothing horrible.  Most of the boats have a computer with numerous settings that control takeoff speed and tow speed.  I set mine at 3 for normal weight people and a set speed, hit the throttle to the stops and the computer does the rest.  VERY smooth.

On 7/23/2018 at 1:16 AM, lamxuyen said:

I know you can't trim out / up on one. How big of an issue is that? Are you just porpoising if you're over idle in larger waves? I don't want to require glassy water to cruise at speed. In prop boats I've always been able to pick the bow up a bit.

The BRP package in the Chap and the Scarab electronically control the RPM's/thrust to keep from porpoising.  Hammer down and it launches out of the water twice as hard as the bigblock and is very stable.  Mine is very good in rough water even being 1500 lbs lighter than the 235 SSI.  If it gets to pounding to bad, just pull back the throttle and it will bring the nose up and plow a bit.

On 7/23/2018 at 1:16 AM, lamxuyen said:

Basically I'm thinking I want to look at a newer 18-19 foot bow rider, as lightweight as I can get (small towing vehicle), and I like the jet boats on paper but I'm not sure I'm convinced. I'm not afraid of hammering a bit and getting wet in rough water, but I've got kids and a wife that would get scared if we got caught off guard by a storm and had to plow back in.

You need to go demo a few boats on crappy days and see how comfortable YOU are.  We all have a different comfort level..............

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On 7/23/2018 at 9:12 AM, Wingnut said:

If you want a boat, buy one. Jets are calm water toys that still don't handle. At the very least TEST DRIVE on a less than perfect day.Plenty of good fresh water used real boats out there. W

I just disagree with all of the folks that say jet boats are for calm water and don’t handle. My 223 handles like a dream and handles rough water as well as any 23’ boat I’ve been on besides a Sea Ray. They are not a deep V hull so don’t expect it to ride like one. Im amazed at some of the comments on here. I think you should definitely test drive any boat you’re thinking about buying. I test drove my VRX 223 in late October on a large lake on a windy, choppy day and still loved it. I drove 3 other boats that day and liked the 223 best. It handled great and was a breeze to dock. 

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33 minutes ago, Wildernesskeith said:

I just disagree with all of the folks that say jet boats are for calm water and don’t handle

:clapsmiley: GOOD FOR YOU!!!  Disagree all you want because you have every right to do so.  While it's a difficult proposition to do so on this forum, especially when you disagree with the Fellowship of the Miserable who have a false, self-imposed tyrannical rule on this place and may make you pay the price for it, especially if you stick to your guns it's worth every single penny!  So good job and don't let any of the BS that could come your way deter you from saying exactly what you feel is right!

36 minutes ago, Wildernesskeith said:

Im amazed at some of the comments on here.

Oh, don't be LOL!  You've only posted 3 times and you ain't seen nothing yet, my friend.  Just keep chugging along and you'll get the support you deserve.

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On 5/26/2019 at 8:32 PM, Wildernesskeith said:

My 223 handles like a dream and handles rough water as well as any 23’ boat I’ve been on besides a Sea Ray. They are not a deep V hull so don’t expect it to ride like one.

Are you saying the it doesn't handle rough water as well as a deep V or better than a deep V?

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