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I rented a deck boat in Key West along the waterfront but it was over 10 yrs ago.  We ran partially around the Island but the water got pretty rough on the Atlantic side for a deck boat so we turned back and stayed in the gulf.  My wife & I are actually considering heading down there in January so I'm interested in this thread.  I don't remember seeing any sites other than just hugging the coast and enjoying the beautiful water in the Gulf.

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Mary and I are neighborhood shopping now and have been from Port Saint Rickie to Naples, and will start down the east coast this week. The owner of our rental house offered to rent us he "High Powered Sea Ray" as long as I could prove that I could handle her. At $2,900/week for a 26' bow rider with a single Merc 300 outboard, we passed. Gathered a whole bunch of local knowledge though to include recreational water quality which varies greatly area to area as dose flood insurance rates, traffic, utility costs, and ease of access to deep water. Viewed 130 homes to date and I will say that you can get a lot more house for the dollar here than in the northeast, but when you require a large garage, boat lift, pool, and single floor only the choices are greatly reduced. It's all conjecture at this point as we need to sell the Maryland home but we have been able to at least experience the lifestyle. THe daily swim 10' out the back door is my favorite, but the daily alligator I can do without.  W

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16 minutes ago, bcboater said:

W-

That is hilarious!  Obviously not a follower on this site...Have you narrowed down the areas yet?  This trip is a back of the mind exploration.  We'll see.  

Thanks.

Englewood has me interested.  Gulf access and short ride at speed to upper Charlotte Harbor.  This place looks to fill most of our needs but outbuilding placement could be an issue. 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1415-Bayshore-Dr-Englewood-FL-34223/66751474_zpid/

I like this one too just south of Punta Gorda but it's a bit remote and I can't get a clear answer on whats in store for the adjacent lot.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/24350-Blackbeard-Blvd-Punta-Gorda-FL-33955/71032657_zpid/

This one is on a perfect lot with outbuilding but area is a bit sketchy.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3260-Peace-River-Dr-Punta-Gorda-FL-33983/43569775_zpid/

Now you know what I know. Found a beautiful place in Apollo Beach with pool, garage, boat lift, and quick access to Tampa Bay, surrounded by multi-million dollar houses. Went to the park at the end of the dead end street and was staring at a coal fired generating station. Yikes...  East cost tour begins tomorrow. W

 

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3 hours ago, jeffk said:

Up the east coast, I am in North Miami.

If you are coming in the area drop me an email.

We did Jupiter to Merritt Island yesterday. 22 houses and 15 hours later we returned to Cape Coral with a better understanding of the area. Hobe Sound, and Merritt Island showed some promise and I'm researching recreational boating on the Indian River. Being on the Upper Chesapeake we are a bit spoiled, but would like to lengthen our season. We may even end up renting in Fla. for 3 or 4 months a year if the rental includes a boat lift. They are easy to find on the west coast but not too many on your side.  W

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we used to go to Naples for a week every winter.  We really loved it there.  Nice boating, nice beaches, nice down town district.  If I were moving to FL  I'd look there.  I took the Ferry from Marco Island to Key West a couple times too.  That was always a fun trip.

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1 hour ago, MonkeySeaII said:

we used to go to Naples for a week every winter.  We really loved it there.  Nice boating, nice beaches, nice down town district.  If I were moving to FL  I'd look there.  I took the Ferry from Marco Island to Key West a couple times too.  That was always a fun trip.

We spent a day there and for the most part, available properties are drive under, and walk up's which we are trying to avoid. A few around Englewood are street level entry, and basement walk-out to pool and boat dock, and the few ranchers in the area are incredibly hard to obtain insurance for.  Rates range from 450/year to over 9 grand so you have to really look at the flood maps. So far we have looked at 140 properties and I'm liking a few on the upper eastern side near Sebastian Inlet on the Indian River. Big area with protected waters but the inlet is said to be one of the worse on the east coast at times. That Cobia 277 CC is looking pretty good right about now. Will likely rent for a few seasons to get better perspective and to discover where the bodies are burred. Found a keeper in Punta Gorda only to find the real estate taxes just jumped to over 14 grand because that neighborhood needs a new section of sea wall and the county won't fund it. You have to do your research. PG is extremely restrictive relative to HOA rules and regulations too. I try to be a really good neighbor to have, but they have people out looking for too much mold on driveways, and it's sad to see the 75 year olds out there with their under-powered pressure washers on ODD water days due to water use restrictions. Electrical rates are about double what I am used to also as coal is being replaced with natural gas. Nuclear is a small percentage with only 3 plants and 5 total reactors. Food is outrageous as Publix has such an monopoly, and Winn Dixie stores are limited and pretty sad.  W

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37 minutes ago, Wingnut said:

We spent a day there and for the most part, available properties are drive under, and walk up's which we are trying to avoid. A few around Englewood are street level entry, and basement walk-out to pool and boat dock, and the few ranchers in the area are incredibly hard to obtain insurance for.  Rates range from 450/year to over 9 grand so you have to really look at the flood maps. So far we have looked at 140 properties and I'm liking a few on the upper eastern side near Sebastian Inlet on the Indian River. Big area with protected waters but the inlet is said to be one of the worse on the east coast at times. That Cobia 277 CC is looking pretty good right about now. Will likely rent for a few seasons to get better perspective and to discover where the bodies are burred. Found a keeper in Punta Gorda only to find the real estate taxes just jumped to over 14 grand because that neighborhood needs a new section of sea wall and the county won't fund it. You have to do your research. PG is extremely restrictive relative to HOA rules and regulations too. I try to be a really good neighbor to have, but they have people out looking for too much mold on driveways, and it's sad to see the 75 year olds out there with their under-powered pressure washers on ODD water days due to water use restrictions. Electrical rates are about double what I am used to also as coal is being replaced with natural gas. Nuclear is a small percentage with only 3 plants and 5 total reactors. Food is outrageous as Publix has such an monopoly, and Winn Dixie stores are limited and pretty sad.  W

when we used to go, my in-laws owned several commercial properties and their partner owned several residential properties.  All of which were ranchers so we stayed in one of them every year.  i don't recall flooding ever being a concern there but their homes weren't on the canals.  My in-laws (& my wife) just sold off all of the properties this year as they felt it was the right time.  So that's why we may try the Keys for a winter getaway this year.  When I grow up, I will be retiring on a lake in either NC or SC.  FL is a bit too hot and overcrowded for me but I love the Carolinas.  Still hot but not quite as bad.  And we are lake people---the admiral isn't an ocean girl and I'm a bit anal retentive about salt on my boat:)

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12 hours ago, jeffk said:

When i kept the boat in Canaveral we went to merrit island all the time.

Some very nice anchorages just south.

Ft Pierce and Sebastian were also great to drop an anchor.

 

 

 

Sebastian Inlet looks to be worrisome at times, but the Indian River looks to have plenty of recreational opportunities without needing to head into the big pond. Still looking to go with a Cobia 277 CC, better suited for offshore. Looking up near Saint Augustine too but it appears like you need to get as far south as the Halifax river before you can really enjoy boating as I have become accustomed to. All conjecture at this point until I get the Maryland house sold. If summer was a bit longer there I would likely put in a pool and stay put but it's time to let the next family enjoy the place as much as we have.  W

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56 minutes ago, Wingnut said:

Sebastian Inlet looks to be worrisome at times, but the Indian River looks to have plenty of recreational opportunities without needing to head into the big pond. Still looking to go with a Cobia 277 CC, better suited for offshore. Looking up near Saint Augustine too but it appears like you need to get as far south as the Halifax river before you can really enjoy boating as I have become accustomed to. All conjecture at this point until I get the Maryland house sold. If summer was a bit longer there I would likely put in a pool and stay put but it's time to let the next family enjoy the place as much as we have.  W

my buddy moved to Palm Coast several years ago and he kept his Monterey 25 BR.  He boats on the Inter-Coastal (Matanzas River) up to St. Augustine & down to Flagler Beach.  He's very happy there.  Has his boat on a lift behind the house on a canal.  St. Augustine was a blast when we went to visit.  Nice boat ride from Palm Coast

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1 hour ago, MonkeySeaII said:

my buddy moved to Palm Coast several years ago and he kept his Monterey 25 BR.  He boats on the Inter-Coastal (Matanzas River) up to St. Augustine & down to Flagler Beach.  He's very happy there.  Has his boat on a lift behind the house on a canal.  St. Augustine was a blast when we went to visit.  Nice boat ride from Palm Coast

Hard for me to get a real handle on how much of those waters are no wake speed. The Indian River looks to be pretty wide open and easy ocean access.  We are meeting with friends in Saint Augustine on Friday and also looking at two homes there. They have boated in that area for  years so I hope to learn a few things.

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1 hour ago, Wingnut said:

Hard for me to get a real handle on how much of those waters are no wake speed. The Indian River looks to be pretty wide open and easy ocean access.  We are meeting with friends in Saint Augustine on Friday and also looking at two homes there. They have boated in that area for  years so I hope to learn a few things.

if memory serves me, there was a lot of marsh land so we were on plane most of the time

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There are some very long speed zones that start in new smyrna and go through daytona.

I went from daytona to st augustine years ago and my recollection is that it took about 4 hours.

It is probably 45 miles so there are some no speed along the way.

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15 hours ago, jeffk said:

There are some very long speed zones that start in new smyrna and go through daytona.

I went from daytona to st augustine years ago and my recollection is that it took about 4 hours.

It is probably 45 miles so there are some no speed along the way.

Looks like our search next trip will concentrate on the east coast, and if we can find a rental unit with a boat hoist, I'll drag the Chap down and see how the Indian River stacks up from Jensen Beach up to Melbourne. Be nice to find a place to rent mid-point, but on that coast those situations are hard to come by. On the west coast they are all over the place but the more I learn about the target areas and their environmental challenges, the more I understand why such beautiful homes are not moving regardless of how much the current owners discount them. Looked into installing a pier and boat lift at an existing place here only to learn that first you need a dock permit, and none were available for that parcel as the developer had sold your to a neighbor as he needed two. You can buy dock credits on the open market, and then apply them to that lot and once that happens you can start the installation permitting process. Army Corp of Engineers, City, EPA, Wild Life, Coast Guard, Electrical Inspector, Marine Facilities Inspector, Registered Design Engineer, and at least a two year waiting period. Then the vendor want's to sell you a #10,000 pound capacity unit as he has them in surplus and can't get #8,000 units right now. Existing bulkhead had 220VAC/20 Amp service which would need to be upgraded. All in it looked to be a $38,000 endeavor and a 28 month process as long as all permits got approved without issues/delays. Burrowing Owl impact evaluation waiver was my favorite. Told me that you better have what you want because even adding a cover to an existing framework was a permitting nightmare.  Something else I noticed especially in the Punta Gorda area is the HOA regulations. Too much mold on your driveway? Violation. Taxes twice what your neighbor down the street is paying? Oh, your section needs a new sea wall and the county won't help pay for it. And don't even think about bringing your boat back to the house on a trailer even for a minute or two. I take care of my property, but don't think I would do so well with neighbor/spies watching my every move. Found another place in Port Charlotte that had 2 boat lifts, direct access to Charlotte Harbor, a new high bay drive through garage that landed you right in front of your new private boat ramp and another 3 car garage attached to the house via breezeway. Beautiful pool with outside cooking area, 3 bedrooms, and all the usual bells and whistles. Price history shows a 35% decrease since initial listing and it's been for sale forever. A little too remote for our likes, and I keep looking for the razor blade in the apple as this guy has dumped a ton of money in this place and is now bailing out. We have looked at 140 places so far and by Saturday we will have covered over 3,000 miles but still have much to learn. No rush as Maryland does not hit the market until Spring.  W

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18 minutes ago, Wingnut said:

Looks like our search next trip will concentrate on the east coast, and if we can find a rental unit with a boat hoist, I'll drag the Chap down and see how the Indian River stacks up from Jensen Beach up to Melbourne. Be nice to find a place to rent mid-point, but on that coast those situations are hard to come by. On the west coast they are all over the place but the more I learn about the target areas and their environmental challenges, the more I understand why such beautiful homes are not moving regardless of how much the current owners discount them. Looked into installing a pier and boat lift at an existing place here only to learn that first you need a dock permit, and none were available for that parcel as the developer had sold your to a neighbor as he needed two. You can buy dock credits on the open market, and then apply them to that lot and once that happens you can start the installation permitting process. Army Corp of Engineers, City, EPA, Wild Life, Coast Guard, Electrical Inspector, Marine Facilities Inspector, Registered Design Engineer, and at least a two year waiting period. Then the vendor want's to sell you a #10,000 pound capacity unit as he has them in surplus and can't get #8,000 units right now. Existing bulkhead had 220VAC/20 Amp service which would need to be upgraded. All in it looked to be a $38,000 endeavor and a 28 month process as long as all permits got approved without issues/delays. Burrowing Owl impact evaluation waiver was my favorite. Told me that you better have what you want because even adding a cover to an existing framework was a permitting nightmare.  Something else I noticed especially in the Punta Gorda area is the HOA regulations. Too much mold on your driveway? Violation. Taxes twice what your neighbor down the street is paying? Oh, your section needs a new sea wall and the county won't help pay for it. And don't even think about bringing your boat back to the house on a trailer even for a minute or two. I take care of my property, but don't think I would do so well with neighbor/spies watching my every move. Found another place in Port Charlotte that had 2 boat lifts, direct access to Charlotte Harbor, a new high bay drive through garage that landed you right in front of your new private boat ramp and another 3 car garage attached to the house via breezeway. Beautiful pool with outside cooking area, 3 bedrooms, and all the usual bells and whistles. Price history shows a 35% decrease since initial listing and it's been for sale forever. A little too remote for our likes, and I keep looking for the razor blade in the apple as this guy has dumped a ton of money in this place and is now bailing out. We have looked at 140 places so far and by Saturday we will have covered over 3,000 miles but still have much to learn. No rush as Maryland does not hit the market until Spring.  W

All those "blue hairs" down there in FL have nothing better to do but spy on their neighbors!:)  The whole state is sinking into the ocean and they're constantly trying to find sand to pump in.  Yuk, I'll pass.  It's the Carolinas for me!

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2 minutes ago, MonkeySeaII said:

All those "blue hairs" down there in FL have nothing better to do but spy on their neighbors!:)  The whole state is sinking into the ocean and they're constantly trying to find sand to pump in.  Yuk, I'll pass.  It's the Carolinas for me!

Yea, they are on the list too. I was amazed to learn how backward Florida is relative to environmental laws. The Agriculture and Phosphate Mining industry lobbies have such a strangle hold on state politics and so much power generation is from coal. Natural gas conversions underway in some areas but $.015 K/H for electric is over double what I pay now. Burning off the sugar cane fields in mass, and lake Okeechobee has become a bottled up nightmare. New construction in the Cape Coral area needs to be seen to be believed, and they can't sell the places that were already built. The land locked fresh water canal system is half empty, and now they approved a multi-million dollar project to build a pipeline from a local utility to keep it filled. This in an area that is on water use restrictions. Yikes...    I think they forgot that even the sacred tourists still need something to drink.  W

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from jensen beach to melbourne is a nice run.

A long no speed zone in ft pierce and a short one in vero.

It is pretty scenic.

A lot of places to go off the channel and drop an anchor.

FT. Pierce inlet is nice and wide.

St. Lucie and Sebastian you really need to pay attention to the weather.

I always go by, I would rather be on land wishing I was on the boat rather than being on the boat wishing I was on land.

Using that practice I have never had any problems in Sebastian or St Lucie.

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Back on the topic of Key West, my Admiral booked a 1 week vacation for the 2 of us the 1st week of March.  This is my 50th B-Day present!  I can't wait for warm weather, and cocktails by the water!!  It'll be weird going away without the kids but it'll be nice to be able to party and enjoy the Key West lifestyle!

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