opendieforger Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Ok, I have been looking at different Chaps in the model that I want...most of them come up with Saltwater locations....Would you buy a 2013 8.1 Volvo with 220 Hrs on it from Saltwater Use? Boat appears to be in great shape...Please give me thoughts, Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phillbo Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Millions of boats in Salt Water. It's all about the maintenance that the previous owner performed. Regular flushing. When were or have the risers and manifolds been replaced? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnZ Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Hey Mike - where are you and where are the boats? My main advice is to be cautious and be a smart, informed buyer of salt water boats. The good, clean ones are going to be much harder to find. And pictures will not tell you the full story. If the one you are interested in is not in your area, be sure to have someone that you trust look it over first, before you buy a plane ticket or hire a surveyor & mechanic. My wounds are still not fully healed from a wasted trip to Miami so do survey and sea trial on one that was supposed to be clean, etc etc Phrases like "lift kept" won't tell you if the engines were flushed after each use. Pictures won't tell you if there is any musty odors or cosmetics in the salon (if looking at a cruiser) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
opendieforger Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 Thanks all, Still looking for that freshwater 276 ssx...flew from Pittsburgh to Lake Minnetonka today for the 9.5 out of 10....turns out it was really a 6 out of 10...With the price of a `12 out of 10....At least I made a business trip out of it to Chicago tomorrow... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iggy Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 18 hours ago, Phillbo said: Millions of boats in Salt Water. It's all about the maintenance that the previous owner performed. Regular flushing. When were or have the risers and manifolds been replaced? Plus most saltwater boats have a closed cooling system. This means less rust in the block than a lake boat with an open system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyclops2 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Closed coolant systems are cheap enough to make them standard equipment...…………. Pleasure & business boats really do need them Our pleasure boats ARE A TOY to be played with. They are a expense that should be more reliable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffk Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Iggy said: Plus most saltwater boats have a closed cooling system. This means less rust in the block than a lake boat with an open system. Really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2004lebanshee Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Wouldn't touch a salt water chap if I was going to be a freshwater boater. Unless it was a crazy good deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iggy Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 2 hours ago, jeffk said: Really? Think about it. You have AF in the block 24/7 365 days which means no air. On an open system the top of the block is drained and air can get in. Rust is formed by the reaction of iron and oxygen. Plus on a open system you have the air that is already mixed into the sea/lake water adding to the oxidation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffk Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 I have freshwater cooling. I know exactly what it does. I am saying up to a certain size, most boats have raw water cooling. Even in a saltwater environment. Why do you think, on most boating websites there are so many manny and riser replacement threads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dgiles Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 3 hours ago, jeffk said: I have freshwater cooling. I know exactly what it does. I am saying up to a certain size, most boats have raw water cooling. Even in a saltwater environment. Why do you think, on most boating websites there are so many manny and riser replacement threads. Freshwater cooling still uses raw water that runs through the risers, hence why they replace them. It does save the block. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iggy Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 hours ago, jeffk said: I have freshwater cooling. I know exactly what it does. I am saying up to a certain size, most boats have raw water cooling. Even in a saltwater environment. Why do you think, on most boating websites there are so many manny and riser replacement threads. Some of the biggest and smallest boats use a closed system. Size of the engine has nothing to do with it unless your talking about outboards. From a 3L gas engine to the largest diesels can have a closed system. https://www.cruisingworld.com/how/engine-cooling-system-tips/ Good reading. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffk Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 I meant size of the boat. Nice article, it has nothing to do with amount of boats raw water cooled vs freshwater cooled. In my system the block is cooled by raw water. Raw water cools the antifreeze which in turn cools the manifolds and risers. My manifolds and risers are cast aluminum......I dont even want to know what they cost to replace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iggy Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, jeffk said: I meant size of the boat. Nice article, it has nothing to do with amount of boats raw water cooled vs freshwater cooled. In my system the block is cooled by raw water. Raw water cools the antifreeze which in turn cools the manifolds and risers. My manifolds and risers are cast aluminum......I dont even want to know what they cost to replace. You right, but I bet there are more closed than open. The bigger the boat the more it is needed. If the engine does not reach and maintain a proper operating temperature there would be a loss of power and high fuel cost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyclops2 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Freezing areas of the world. Very hot areas also use closed cooling systems. Much longer lived cooling systems. And heating systems where needed. CHEAP CHEAP rules. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dgiles Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 hours ago, jeffk said: I meant size of the boat. Nice article, it has nothing to do with amount of boats raw water cooled vs freshwater cooled. In my system the block is cooled by raw water. Raw water cools the antifreeze which in turn cools the manifolds and risers. My manifolds and risers are cast aluminum......I dont even want to know what they cost to replace. If your block is cooled by raw water, that would be a raw water system, no? ie no antifreeze. If not what the heck does your antifreeze cool? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffk Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Iggy said: You right, but I bet there are more closed than open. The bigger the boat the more it is needed. If the engine does not reach and maintain a proper operating temperature there would be a loss of power and high fuel cost. Thats right, the bigger the boat, the more it is needed....agreed. There are a lot more small boats than big ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dgiles Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 hours ago, jeffk said: Thats right, the bigger the boat, the more it is needed....agreed. There are a lot more small boats than big ones. It really has nothing to do with size of the engine or boat. It has everything to do with whether or not the boat is in salt or fresh. Generally bigger boats are in the ocean, hence why the numbers are what they are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyclops2 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Live on the Great Lakes & the Saint Lawrence River. WE have the biggies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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