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6 hours ago, drewm3i said:

There is no such thing as too much chain...when we had our sailboat, we had 150' of chain which is not uncommon at all. Power boats absolutely need a lot of chain as well. Sure you didn't drag while on watch in good conditions, but would you trust it all night at anchor? How about if a storm blows through? Dragging could leave you on the rocks which is just not worth the risk.

I would have to agree. But I am a salt water boater that has 50' of chain on a 30' foot boat. My normal anchoring depth is between 12 to 30 feet. 

Remember too, we are talking in general situations. The newbie does not care what works for me. But how the anchoring system, I should say ground tackle works.   

 

But this also goes back to local knowledge. In some spots 6' of chain is just fine, others may need 12'.  

 

As to SST, no such thing it came out of nowhere.  I have told this story many times. Years ago in Boston Harbor we were anchored. There were reports of thunder storms for that day.  But these storms ether don't show up or very isolated. We were ready to pull anchor and go home. Then we saw a storm go from south to north passing right over Boston 4 miles away from us. We decided to stay since the storm would be in our path. For us it was almost uneventful. It got a little dark and the wind picked up to 10kph. I just got radar and really did not know how to use it. I had a experienced boater on board and he looked at the radar.  He said that the storm just made a U turn and heading for us. I run to the bow and let out my entire rode 50 ft of chain and 200 feet of line. Well, we got hit with 60 mph winds, two boats past us since there anchor was not holding and one ran aground. I dragged about 50 feet in 15 feet of water. 

My point is, you never know? Looking at the weather or not.  

 

 

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The purpose of the HEAVY LENGTH of chain is to prevent the LIGHT WEIGHT rope from lifting the anchor off of the bottom accidentally.

Lifting the anchor off of the bottom,  while trying to have it dig in, is a common problem. But is not detectable all the time.

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1 hour ago, Iggy said:

I would have to agree. But I am a salt water boater that has 50' of chain on a 30' foot boat. My normal anchoring depth is between 12 to 30 feet. 

Remember too, we are talking in general situations. The newbie does not care what works for me. But how the anchoring system, I should say ground tackle works.   

 

But this also goes back to local knowledge. In some spots 6' of chain is just fine, others may need 12'.  

 

As to SST, no such thing it came out of nowhere.  I have told this story many times. Years ago in Boston Harbor we were anchored. There were reports of thunder storms for that day.  But these storms ether don't show up or very isolated. We were ready to pull anchor and go home. Then we saw a storm go from south to north passing right over Boston 4 miles away from us. We decided to stay since the storm would be in our path. For us it was almost uneventful. It got a little dark and the wind picked up to 10kph. I just got radar and really did not know how to use it. I had a experienced boater on board and he looked at the radar.  He said that the storm just made a U turn and heading for us. I run to the bow and let out my entire rode 50 ft of chain and 200 feet of line. Well, we got hit with 60 mph winds, two boats past us since there anchor was not holding and one ran aground. I dragged about 50 feet in 15 feet of water. 

My point is, you never know? Looking at the weather or not.  

 

 

You proved my point. You knew there were "isolated thunderstorms" out there and you went anyways. You knew ahead of time.

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20 minutes ago, cyclops2 said:

I just love those totally small SQUALLS ?  instant  6 foot waves with +45 mph winds for 40 minutes. Then back to sunny & calm.

Regular occurance during summer on the Chesapeake. Short, intense, chaotic. Hurricane force winds. Then calm. 

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I have got caught 2 times in those. 1 time with a load of seniors in the 186 SSI. I was afraid to lose keeping the bow into the waves. Drive trimmed up, 2000 rpms, re positioned all the people. The wind was trying to push the bow off to either side constantly for about 40 minutes.  Close spaced whites . if the boat turned ? instant filled boat with waves breaking onto passengers Trying to get into life jackets.  My first squall encounter.  40 minutes of fear out of a beautiful day.

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7 hours ago, SST said:

You proved my point. You knew there were "isolated thunderstorms" out there and you went anyways. You knew ahead of time.

That remains to be seen. This storm was more than the average thunderstorm. Thunderstorms are a funny thing, they can come out on where and last only minutes.  It could be down pouring where you are and one mile away is nothing.  

But I don't want to get into a deep discussion. But I would rather be prepared, than not. You could have engine trouble and not get back to the dock on time. Than get caught up in a storm.  A good boater has the right equipment on board or at least try. Thats why the make PFDs, EPIRBs, Flares and more. You don't know what can happen. 

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25 feet of chain will solve the problem like other's have said.  The chain helps keep the anchor laying flat to the bottom and keeps the forks dug in.  If you don't have enough chain, the rope will lift the chain up and then the anchor won't be laying flat on the bottom for maximum "dig" into the mud.

Sounds like a lot of chain, but that's what it takes to get the anchor to stick. 

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I have the tiny fluke anchor that came with my 257SSX.  It might be 4-5lbs.  I have 0 chain and anchor every weekend in a midwestern mud bottom lake.  I have literally had 0 times that my anchor has not “hooked”.  I simply find a spot, stop the boat from moving, do my best to THROW the anchor into the wind, so the boat is pulling back, make sure there is nothing behind you as you will move back from slack.  Let out a lot of rope.  Do I ever get to 5:1 or 7:1 ration, almost never.  Our lake is 20’-60’ deep and I have 200’ of rope and typically only use  1.5:1 - 3:1.  We get lots of wind and again, no issues.  Occasionally I will get into a rock bottom cove that the anchor will drag in a little, but eventually hook.  Using your front bow D ring will help as it’s lower to the water and will help with the pulling angle (what you are doing by letting out a lot of rope).  You can use a Danik hook (google)  to make this easier. 
 

Not hooking is almost always because you don’t have enough rope out.  Throw your anchor into the wind..  if you throw your anchor across or with the wind, understand that your boat is going to move over it, or to the side until it’s pulling against it.  Chain won’t hurt, but I have never needed it.  

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2 hours ago, Steve&Steph said:

I have the tiny fluke anchor that came with my 257SSX.  It might be 4-5lbs.  I have 0 chain and anchor every weekend in a midwestern mud bottom lake.  I have literally had 0 times that my anchor has not “hooked”.  I simply find a spot, stop the boat from moving, do my best to THROW the anchor into the wind, so the boat is pulling back, make sure there is nothing behind you as you will move back from slack.  Let out a lot of rope.  Do I ever get to 5:1 or 7:1 ration, almost never.  Our lake is 20’-60’ deep and I have 200’ of rope and typically only use  1.5:1 - 3:1.  We get lots of wind and again, no issues.  Occasionally I will get into a rock bottom cove that the anchor will drag in a little, but eventually hook.  Using your front bow D ring will help as it’s lower to the water and will help with the pulling angle (what you are doing by letting out a lot of rope).  You can use a Danik hook (google)  to make this easier. 
 

Not hooking is almost always because you don’t have enough rope out.  Throw your anchor into the wind..  if you throw your anchor across or with the wind, understand that your boat is going to move over it, or to the side until it’s pulling against it.  Chain won’t hurt, but I have never needed it.  

This goes back to local knowledge. What works for your area may not work for others. As JJlai mentioned and I wholeheartedly agree. 

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With that style anchor it almost always comes down to how it’s deployed.  I see so many people “throw” their anchor like a brick and a handful of rode into the water and wait for it to hit the bottom where it probably has rode wrapped around the flukes and isn’t laying flat.  If you can weed thru cyclops’ rambling he lays it out pretty well.
 

That type of anchor needs to be lowered to the bottom somewhat slowly so it lays flat on the bottom. Then once it’s on the bottom let out however much rode you need and put the boat in reverse for a couple seconds and hold until it catches.  Works every time.  
 

Also in mud bottom Midwest lakes (the only place I boat) you only need about 5 ft of chain and about 5x depth rode, if that.  Sometimes in coves that are busy if you throw out 50ft of rode in 10ft of water you’ll be swinging around your anchor too close to other boats.  I’ve gotten this method to work with 3x rode or less no problem. This isn’t the ocean.  Practice and you’ll get it every time.

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We did not mention WEEDY areas & LOOSE PEBBLE bottoms. TOO many difficult types to dig in every time. 

Weeds on a bottom with round rocks ?  Can be pure frustration. For me. 5 attempts & I try a different spot.

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10 hours ago, Iggy said:

This goes back to local knowledge. What works for your area may not work for others. As JJlai mentioned and I wholeheartedly agree. 

I certainly appreciate that, but the in the initial post midwestern mud bottom ales are mentioned.  Exactly what I deal with. 

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1 hour ago, IndyChap said:

Indiana lakes = https://www.slideanchor.com/boxanchor. Last anchor you will ever need.  Does NOT fit in the anchor locker... 

I had a slide anchor and hated it.  I had the small box anchor.  It had issues holding my 22’ Malibu in mud, was heavy and pain to put away. I think a fluked anchor in mud with plenty of rope works much better. 

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On 7/29/2020 at 7:05 AM, Steve&Steph said:

I have the tiny fluke anchor that came with my 257SSX.  It might be 4-5lbs.  I have 0 chain and anchor every weekend in a midwestern mud bottom lake.  I have literally had 0 times that my anchor has not “hooked”.  I simply find a spot, stop the boat from moving, do my best to THROW the anchor into the wind, so the boat is pulling back, make sure there is nothing behind you as you will move back from slack.  Let out a lot of rope.  Do I ever get to 5:1 or 7:1 ration, almost never.  Our lake is 20’-60’ deep and I have 200’ of rope and typically only use  1.5:1 - 3:1.  We get lots of wind and again, no issues.  Occasionally I will get into a rock bottom cove that the anchor will drag in a little, but eventually hook.  Using your front bow D ring will help as it’s lower to the water and will help with the pulling angle (what you are doing by letting out a lot of rope).  You can use a Danik hook (google)  to make this easier. 
 

Not hooking is almost always because you don’t have enough rope out.  Throw your anchor into the wind..  if you throw your anchor across or with the wind, understand that your boat is going to move over it, or to the side until it’s pulling against it.  Chain won’t hurt, but I have never needed it.  

Answer me this...what is the upside to not having chain or an adequately sized anchor? What is the potential downside? This is not good advice.

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